[7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Morning Musume。'14, Berryz Kobo, ℃-ute, S/mileage, Juice=Juice, Hello!Project, TNX, and more

Moderator: Moh

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Jessi » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:31 pm

Ayeaye wrote:The Song is great i hope she can make an appearance at the H!P Concert! :D :heart:


Yes with an official announcement that she is joining H!P...

I can dream... :love:
youtube.com/luciditi
User avatar
Jessi
Member
 
Posts: 2858
Joined: Sun Jun 10, 2012 3:53 pm
Location: Watsugozara Kamoza Land
Has thanked: 1045 times
Been thanked: 434 times
Favorite Idol: 佐藤 優樹

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Ayeaye » Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:47 am

^Would be great than she can show some of the Kenshusei how to sing properly as a Solo Idol. :heart: :D
User avatar
Ayeaye
Acolyte
 
Posts: 177
Joined: Mon Jan 02, 2012 8:32 am
Has thanked: 0 time
Been thanked: 0 time

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby danzarely » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:45 pm

Has anyone properly translated the title? My Japanese is far from "bad" but these ~nda type tenses always throw me off. "I Start From Here" would be my guess, but sometimes these idols throw me off. Like s/mileage's new single - wtf with that title haha
User avatar
danzarely
Acolyte
 
Posts: 801
Joined: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:41 am
Has thanked: 32 times
Been thanked: 43 times

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Starra » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:54 pm

I'd translate it as "It Starts (From) Here!" but... I could be wrong.
中澤裕子紺野あさ美萩原舞金澤朋子山﨑愛生梁川奈々美加賀楓須藤茉麻田村芽実平井美葉清野桃々姫福田真琳松本わかな岸本ゆめの・松原ユリヤ♡
User avatar
Starra
Prophet
 
Posts: 8281
Joined: Wed Oct 08, 2008 11:34 am
Location: New Zealand
Has thanked: 435 times
Been thanked: 1472 times
Favorite Idol: Nakazawa Yuuko

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby iceymoon » Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:30 pm

i haven't paid close attention to the lyrics so i don't know what the implication of the subject is, but yes, it's either "it starts from here!" or "I start from here!"

the "n" is meaningless, at least from what i was taught. it's more to do with it sounding more fluid, it doesn't sound right to say it as "hajimaru da". "da" as in the informal for "desu" (so it would be "hajimarun desu" not "hajimaru desu").

now, i'm sure saying "hajimarun desu" has a slightly different connotation than "hajimarimasu" or just "hajimaru", but that's where my knowledge stops. :lol: maybe it has more to do with the grammatical structure of the statement?
User avatar
iceymoon
Member
 
Posts: 2251
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:01 am
Has thanked: 1122 times
Been thanked: 155 times

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Celedam » Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:55 pm

hajimaru is the root verb (informal present, or perhaps infinitive), so it can sometimes also be used as a noun. hajimarimasu is the conjugated verb (formal present).

It would be like "from here, it is a start/beginning" versus "it starts/begins from here".
Celedam
Devoted Devotee
 
Posts: 12194
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 6:12 am
Location: Tree Town, USA
Has thanked: 1410 times
Been thanked: 2427 times

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Sohee » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:17 pm

I'm pretty sure the ん comes from の as you can say "はじまるのです" and it would have the same meaning as "はじまるんだ" only the latter is more casual. ん has come to be okay to use even in a "formal" setting though.

I'd say by adding んだ to the title instead of just making it ここからはじまります which would still carry the same meaning, it's more of a statement.
It's like... "It starts from here." vs "It starts from here!" if that would make sense? haha Fact vs statement, maybe?
idk. It's one of those nuance things that Japanese have that are a bitch to translate. XD
User avatar
Sohee
Hierophant
 
Posts: 9041
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:34 am
Location: Tokyo
Has thanked: 582 times
Been thanked: 1821 times
Favorite Idol: Kamei Eri

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby iceymoon » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:23 pm

i got what you meant. ^-^ something that's being stated/spoken versus just a title or idea.
"no desu", hmm never thought of it that way. kinda makes sense. but even for short responses like いいんです! ?
User avatar
iceymoon
Member
 
Posts: 2251
Joined: Sun Jun 05, 2011 3:01 am
Has thanked: 1122 times
Been thanked: 155 times

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Sohee » Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:52 pm

いいんです and いいのです is the same thing. :3 Though I'd say that のです definitely sounds more lady-like and something I'd expect Fukuchan's mom to use maybe? But that's just a matter of having an image of how things are and such. xD
User avatar
Sohee
Hierophant
 
Posts: 9041
Joined: Fri Apr 29, 2011 1:34 am
Location: Tokyo
Has thanked: 582 times
Been thanked: 1821 times
Favorite Idol: Kamei Eri

Re: [7/11] Kikkawa You 4th Single "Koko Kara Hajimarunda!"

Postby Celedam » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:27 am

My impression was that the の / ん is used to indicate that it applies to some understood thing, rather than being open-ended. That is, "it is good" versus "it's a good <thing we've previously discussed>".
Celedam
Devoted Devotee
 
Posts: 12194
Joined: Thu May 26, 2011 6:12 am
Location: Tree Town, USA
Has thanked: 1410 times
Been thanked: 2427 times

PreviousNext

Return to Hello! Project

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bing [Bot], HaruKaze and 9 guests