[2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 1st single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Wed Jan 14, 2015 1:52 am

I can help you out here...
חַנָּה
the first letter is "חַ" "cha" the second is "נָּ" "na" (but it has a dot inside so it's a double vowel so nna" and the third is "ה" "h" but in this instance the "h" isn't pronounced (because it's a lead off from the "a" of the last letter...), so it's usually spelled "channah" even though it's pronounced "chana" but americans pronounce it "Hannah" :P
... And personally, I think "Chana" looks better than "Channah" or "Hannah" :P Although I see many people writing "ch" as "kh" but when writing the name they write "ch" because, frankly, "Khannah" just looks like a mess of letters. xD


..As for the Romaji part... If you're writing out the name talking to someone, Gyakushuu or something like that you would use... but on a title for a CD or something like that, it just looks better without that. And probably, anyone that knows the actual meaning will probably already know that it's Gyakushuu and not Gyakushu.
(also that gomennnasai made me laugh. xD)
And would パーティー become Paatelii if using the romaji keyboard? xD

And Resop... google translate says "Late Bloomers"... but Rikaikun says the great talents thing... it really means the same thing. :P (unless late bloomer refers to puberty..)
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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby esm » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:01 am

It depends on the philosophy behind the romanization system too. It's not always about transcribing one writing system faithfully into another. There are cases where that'd be impossible, e.g., you can't really romanize Thai based on its writing system and the way people do it is based more on the phonology of the spoken language.

If I remember correctly from a conference presentation I was at a few months back, the short vs. long vowel sounds tend to get kinda obscured at the end of a longer word (3+ moras) in Japanese. You'll also see variability in the way new loanwords and truncated loanwords (e.g., the short forms Japanese people like to use) are written, like whether a short or long vowel was used at the end.

By the way, cross-linguistically, doubling the orthographic vowel isn't the only way long (vs. short) vowels are indicated in writing. In the Thai writing system short vs. long vowels tend to look like modified versions of one another, but the difference between each pair is not consistent so it's basically one of those things where you have to just memorize if you're a learner. In Swedish, a short vowel sound is indicated by the presence of two consonants after the vowel, whereas a long vowel sound would only have one consonant after it (e.g., takk vs. tak). That's because in most languages that allows a coda consonant in the syllable (unlike Japanese), the duration of the consonant tends to vary inversely with the length of the vowel.

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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby stam4o » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:59 pm

Limited C is a really good cover. It looks like a punk-rock cover from the late 80's or the early 90's. Not very idol-ish but it's balanced and it's a good job, as @forgetmenots says, the font is great. And limited A is a good play of colours and superpositions. Regular ones are meh, but limited are good.

^In Bulgarian happens something similar. There's a lot of predomination of strong to weak consonants decay (especially at the end of the words) and even more open to close non-tonic vowel decay, plus sometimes there may happen the contrary, a growth, and thus using long or short vowels also depends on if you'll pronounce a strong or a decayed consonant after that and not only if the consonant is one or there are more. Also one has to pay attention when to apply those because if you're deliberately(or just by habit) use a very "decayed" language it may result like you're not really much onto whom you're talking to, and if you're spelling the worlds as written, too "correctly", it's like you're not being serious, or you're mocking on them, etc I don't know the linguistic rules of those, but many times the variations are very subtle, though important, and there's no real transcription even in many other slavic languages.
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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby forgetmenots » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:24 pm

I knew Taiki Bansei as Late Bloomer as well. I thought if this ends up doing super well could describe ANGERME. The other translation sound like it should be in a fortune cookie.
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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby Amped » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:37 pm

tracklist

Limited Edition A, C, Regular A
1. Taiki Bansei
2. Otome no Gyakushu
3. Taiki Bansei (Instrumental)
4. Otome no Gyakushu (Instrumental)

Limited Edition B, D, Regular B
1. Otome no Gyakushu
2. Taiki Bansei
3. Otome no Gyakushu (Instrumental)
4. Taiki Bansei (Instrumental)

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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby Sohee » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:37 pm

Sure enough "Late bloomer" sounds more casual. But 大器晩成 isn't a yojijukugo for nothing. It's an idiom and imo it shouldn't be translated that casually. Just "Late bloomer" - in my opinion - doesn't convey its entire meaning nor the nuance of the phrase that it has in Japanese.
Then again I'm picky with things like that and, as we've learnt over the past year or so, UpFront definitely aren't, so.
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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby esm » Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:52 pm

To be fair, titles in another language don't necessarily have to be a translation. Happens all the time with books and movies.

But we can probably expect them to use it in the translated lyrics as well... xD
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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby Amped » Wed Jan 14, 2015 10:26 pm

Taiki Bansei MV preview at beginning of HS


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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby CaptainBerryzGiraffe » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:05 pm

*sigh*
Maybe we can be hopefully they'll release an "outdoor version" eventually. xD

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Re: [2/4] ANGERME (アンジュルム) 18th single : Taiki Bansei / Otome no Gyakushu

Postby Daisuki Daiiyo » Wed Jan 14, 2015 11:48 pm

Limited B and C, and Regular B are the nicest covers, and don't feel as cluttered as the others. That bright red on regular A tho lol

I see that for the MV, Rikako isn't over-doing her dance moves, and that the formation looks more cohesive (despite this being filmed sooner than the concerts, what gives?) This is good though! This may also be the work of better camera angles. Also, poor Maho during her close ups lol she doesn't know what to do with herself! And was it just me, or did Take-chan look like she was kind of over it the whole MV? Though I kind of understand, she was essentially in the back of the formation, with very little screen time lol.

They all look gorgeous, despite the hideous outfits and low budget MV. Nice to see that those H!P curtains are still being put to good use!
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