Hello! Project 15th Anniversary Worldwide events thread

[zam_ho]

There were no war in Burma.. I mean Myanmar. How do you call that a war torn country?

Do you call South Africa a war torn country?

[Celedam]

I guess this Wikipedia article needs some editing, then…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Burma

[zam_ho]

^You are going to use Wiki to support a political argument?
Anyone with a hidden/personal agenda can write that up to support their side of the story.

Cambodia, now that is a war torn country.
There is a political struggle in Myanmar but there was no all out war.
It happens in China and Russia, and even in southern Thailand.

Its like the time when we had this street demonstration a few years ago and the western media made it look like the country is at the brink of collapse. Our tourism and trade suffered. The western news medias never showcase the positive side of things. That was before there was Wiki. Just imagine what more damage it could make.

Incase you are not aware, Japanese firms have been in Myanmar since the 1970's.
If things were bad in Myanmar, it was because of the economic sanctions from western countries, to pressure Myanmar to change their government ( Point is, there was no war ).
http://ajw.asahi.com/article/economy/bu ... 1202070047

[Celedam]

You are going to use Wiki to support a political argument?

No, I'm using Wikipedia as a quick and convenient reference for the rest of the people who are reading this, to illustrate just how ridiculous you're being. I already knew that there's no convincing you, because gosh, I wouldn't dare try to correct someone who believes he knows better than dozens of human rights agencies, hundreds of historians and journalists, thousands of refugees, and pretty much every democratic nation in the world that waited until 2012 — until after the ceasefire and political reforms — to reestablish diplomatic relations with Burma.

You da man.

Incase you are not aware, Japanese firms have been in Myanmar since the 1970's.

So what? Japan has a notoriously dirty economy, because it has almost no natural resources of its own. And that's their Plan B, because their Plan A — establish a pan-Asian empire so that they could simply take what they wanted — didn't work out too well.

[zam_ho]

^If you have that kind of view of Japan, what the heck are you doing here?

dozens of human rights agencies, hundreds of historians and journalists, thousands of refugees, and pretty much every democratic nation in the world

You and your country have not been the target of this group of people so you don't understand how it hurts when someone calls your country a "war-torn" country when its not the whole truth. Get off you high-horse Celedam.

[Sohee]

Dude, I have similar negative views of Japan when it comes to their politics and economics and society in general.
Doesn't mean I hate everything in relation to the country and especially not my favorite idols.

[danzarely]

If you're REALLY arguing that Myanmar isn't a dangerous place you're insane. They've been sanctioned on and off for decades for their human rights offenses. There is a very thin line between Myanmar and old Vietnam/present countryside North Korea. It's not a place people want to be. Heck the big news this year alone was that an escaped Myanmar "prisoner" is writing a book on her trials by the Burmese government.

Myanmar = no bueno. Not that I think Berryz are going to be kidnapped and held for ransom by the government lmao - but just saying - it's a weird choice to go... Berryz might as well be performing in Pakistan

"the United Nations and several other organizations have reported consistent and systematic human rights violations in the country, including genocide, the use of child soldiers, systematic rape, child labour, slavery, human trafficking and a lack of freedom of speech."

[Sohee]

I would not be surprised if UF simply aren't aware of this ~.~

[randompasserby]

...
While I agree that there are definitely a lot of human rights issues and what passed as a government seems pretty fucked up over there, war-torn country isn't exactly how I'd describe it and that's the only issue that I see zam was having a problem with. There aren't any armed militia in open war with the military on ruined cities or anything (i'm picturing black hawk down here when i see the term war torn country ) at least from all the news I've seen of the country.

I can sympathize to some degree actually, after the Bali bombings it sure is nice to hear all the foreign reports of my own country being nothing but a veritable terrorist hotbed .
Not trying to deny the existing problems here, but there are always more to it than that. I've no doubt it's the same in this case, there are demands in Myanmar and it fits with Berryz recent Asian theme...so why not? Still an odd choice, but not exactly an impossible one.

[zam_ho]

^Finally someone understands what I was trying to point out.

@sohee

Dude, I have similar negative views of Japan when it comes to their politics and economics and society in general.

We all have something we don't agree with, I'm with you on their politics only. But what Celedam is stating is their WW2 agenda. I HATE it when people just can't let go of the WW2 era and brings it up as an argument piece. The Japanese people have denounce war so many times. What more do they need to do to convince people like Celedam?

And if he was trying to make an argument about Japan setting up factories outside Japan, thats just ridiculous. Nearly every big company, even those from the US are setting up companies in 3rd world countries.

Just as a reminder that this is not the first time Berryz will be visiting a country which was not as peaceful as you would want it to be.
When Berryz did their first concert in Bangkok there was a huge demonstration that crippled Bangkok. It was reported by fans that the demonstators were camped out a couple of blocks away.
Fans were warned not to wear red t-shirts ( poor Risako ) because that was the color of the politcal group that was demonstrating.